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introducing a new parakeet.

Posted by linnylooloo on 2010.05.17 at 19:11
i've decided to get a second parakeet, because i would like a friend for my only female. it was recommended to me to get a male, because apparently two females don't always get along very well. so i have questions!:

1. sorry if this is a REALLY stupid question, but are the birds that we buy at pet supplies plus spayed or neutered? is it even possible to do that to a parakeet? if i get a male to go along with my female, am i going to have any problems with them trying to mate?

2. how do i introduce the new bird? do i just bring it home and immediately put him in the cage with her? will they be okay? will they fight? should i purchase a smaller cage to keep next to her cage to keep him in for awhile until she's used to him?

3. does anyone know where to buy english budgies in ohio? i love my parakeet, but i would love a male english budgie! do they get along well? they are more or less considered the same bird, right?

i just don't want to bring home a new parakeet until i'm 100% sure on what to do; any advice or tips would be super appreciated!

Comments:


angelicvampyre
angelicvampyre at 2010-05-17 23:21 (UTC) (Link)
Ok first of all, great that you want to get another one. I love keeping things in pairs.

Now yes you sould get a male and not they will not be spayed, yes you can do this to a bird but only for medical reasons, at the end of the day your birds will mate and there is nothing wrong with this. Just make sure there is no where that the female thinks is a nest, no nest boxes no happy huts no dark corners. To be on the safe side make sure that birds that access to calcium so if she does lay an egg it's not going to be to taxing on her system. Having said that I have a male and female and have never seen an egg from her (she is an ex breeder) since they have been put together.

Now for bring the new bird home. First step is make sure that for 30 days minimum both birds do not have any contact. This will give to time to make sure that the new bird is not unwell. Keep them in seperate rooms, this also gives you time to bond with the new bird one on one. Towards the end of the 30 days if they can't hear each other already move the new bird to a room where they can hear each other. Then after the 30 days into the same room. Give both birds time out of the cage alone but in the same room that way they can see and hear each other. Then spend time with both of them out and then introduce them. 9 times out of 10 there will be no agression but do watch out for this. You can then put them in the same cage but again keep an eye out for agression. As both birds have been "alone" for at least a month normally they flock insticnt kicks in and they want to to be together.

As for english vs pet I have an english female and a pet male and they love each other and have no issues. I know a few people with mixed flocks they make no difference expect the size is different.

Hope that helps.

Good luck.

Also if you can try and get froma breeder less chance of the new birds having an illness then when you get from a pet shop
Sat-Isis/Suten Net
cassiopaya at 2010-05-18 04:09 (UTC) (Link)

I second this!

Also, purchasing an a smaller, additional cage comes in handy whenever you have a sick birdie. A smaller cage set on top of a heating pad and covered with blankets makes a good hospital cage.
Cap'n Rachel and her merry band of headpirates.
amethyst_clan at 2010-05-17 23:48 (UTC) (Link)
I personally would not suggest getting a male. Even if you don't provide them an area to nest in, they will find a way to nest if they're determined enough. My momma bird ended up ripping all the papers on the bottom of the cage apart and nesting there, no matter how often I changed the papers.

She's a chronic egglayer and I keep her eggs in there for 2-3 weeks, since it breaks her of her egglaying for a little bit. (Her brain interprets it as "Oh, I've had a clutch already and they just didn't hatch.") Imagine my surprise when my roommate went to cover them for the night and there was a dime-sized baby bird in there.

The situation may end up different if your female doesn't become a chronic egglayer like Nova is, but do you really want to risk having a whole clutch of babies on your hands? I went from 3 parakeets to 8 in a 2 week span of time. (Not that I mind. I love my flock to death.)

I've heard that keeping 2 females together isn't necessarily a bad thing. But don't take my word for that, as I've just had to split the 4 girls apart recently and haven't had enough time to give you anecdotal evidence on how they behave as pairs.

Edited at 2010-05-17 11:54 pm (UTC)
nightchild01
nightchild01 at 2010-05-18 00:21 (UTC) (Link)
I second what's already been said. I just want to add that you need to get the new one (and the current one, if she's not already been) to a vet for some blood work to make sure they're healthy.
Cap'n Rachel and her merry band of headpirates.
amethyst_clan at 2010-05-18 01:19 (UTC) (Link)
This.

Also, if you can afford it, I'd suggest getting a DNA test to confirm gender. Unless your bird is like my Em and Ninja and has a cere brighter than a freaking blue neon bulb or like Nova and starts laying eggs, it's hard to know the gender without a doubt.
angelicvampyre
angelicvampyre at 2010-05-18 03:08 (UTC) (Link)
If they post a good picture in natural light of the cere I can tell you which sex it is even the harder to tell pied mutations. I have breed for years and have many breeders a friends and they can tell from as young as 4 weeks of age and so far I have only been wrong once so don't waste money getting a DNA done
Cap'n Rachel and her merry band of headpirates.
amethyst_clan at 2010-05-18 05:46 (UTC) (Link)
Oooh. I'll keep that in mind. I'm about 99% sure about one of my babies, but it's that 1% chance that bothers me. Been thinking about getting him DNA tested because the last thing I need is another clutch of babies. -laughs-
angelicvampyre
angelicvampyre at 2010-05-18 06:22 (UTC) (Link)
Just make sure that the picture is taken in Natural light with no flash. I don't mean to sound up myself but really was of money when I can do it for you for free or if for some reason it has me stumped I have a VERY large group of breeders around me that can also do it without any thought behind it.
Ingrid
dragonoflight at 2010-05-18 10:21 (UTC) (Link)
I have a male/female pair of budgies. They have been together for about 5 years, and I've seen them mating more then once. In spring, they mate almost daily. But never ever has the female laid any eggs, simply because I didn't give her any opportunity.

So I recommend a male friend. Introduce him slowly, first in two seperate cages, then outside the cage, finally in the cage in which they are to be housed together. This process can take a few weeks, take your time.
When the male 'moves in' with the female, make sure you completely clean the cage and change the interior as well (change the toys for instance). This way, chances of territorial behaviour by the female will be reduced to a minimum.

If your current parakeet is an australian budgie, then there's no problem in hooking her up with an english budgie. You have as much success in them becoming friends as when you'd add another australian budgie.
RedFeather FalconHawk
redfeather_hawk at 2010-05-19 03:46 (UTC) (Link)
When we had our male, he was very interested in the ladies and really, really wanted to mate. Fortunately - luckily - there were never any eggs.

Now, I have two female budgies. They are kept in separate cages (we tried putting them in the same cage but the other wanted to go back to her original cage - so we let her). The two females do get along fairly well, and will fly around and hang out together when I let them out of their cages. Also, their cages are next to each other, so they can still see each other when they're inside of their cages. It works fine. :)

People sometimes say that females are very territorial and don't get along, but I've never had any serious problems with my females. In fact, the two will often hang out in the same cage when the cage doors are open so they can come out. XD

You definitely want to get a separate cage for the new bird to begin with. Birds can be cage-territorial, and they might not get along with another bird right away. It's best to have two separate cages, and let them get to know each other gradually (after quarantine, of course). You shouldn't just buy a budgie and put it in the other bird's cage right away. It's possible in the future once you know the birds get along nicely, though.

As to a male and female breeding - although I caught ours mating when we had a male and female in the same cage, no eggs were ever laid. But I've also heard of birds laying eggs when no nest box was provided. So, I think that depends on the birds.
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